Flamengo say they have agreed a loan deal with Everton for former Southampton and Juventus attacking midfielder, Carlos Alcaraz.
Pending a successful medical, it appears as though the 22-year-old will become the Blues’ first signing of the winter transfer window, just months after becoming Flamengo’s record buy in an €18m deal.
He had previously spent the final six months of the 2023-24 season on loan at Juventus.
Alcaraz began his career at Racing Club in his native Argentina before being picked up by Saints two years ago in a £12m deal.
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Though the 2022-23 campaign was a relegation season for the south coast side, he was one of the stand-out performers and he was awarded a five-year contract in October 2023.
The deal that took “Charly” to Turin reportedly invoved an optional buy clause of almost €50m but Juve never exercised it and the player made his switch to Brazil last August.
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Pete Hughes
1 Posted
31/01/2025 at
17:04:03
Who?? panic signings on the way?
Mick O’Malley
2 Posted
31/01/2025 at
17:06:52
He’s played in the PL for Southampton so knows what it’s about, we need bodies in cos if Beto gets injured were knackered, let’s see what the lads about first before we put the boot in
Sam Hoare
3 Posted
31/01/2025 at
17:09:14
Not sure what the purchase price is but if its under £14m then it could be a very sensible move.
Old school that no one seemed to know about this till deal was announced by Flanengo!
Chris James
4 Posted
31/01/2025 at
17:10:11
Escape with Alcaraz?
Nick White
5 Posted
31/01/2025 at
17:11:01
I didnt think we could sign any more players on loan? Hope he can slot straight in though!
Jim Potter
6 Posted
31/01/2025 at
17:11:50
Let’s hope he’s a goodun.
Derek Knox
7 Posted
31/01/2025 at
17:12:13
Is he available for tomorrow’s bench ?
Simon Harrison
8 Posted
31/01/2025 at
17:12:28
Very much can play anywhere, other than LB and CB.
Primarily RFd,but has a decent Left foot too.
At 22 he is at a good age to either to develop or sell on, and he’s not a prolific goal scorer or provider, but he has, looking at his stats, a very good engine for a young player.
Good work team Moywell-TFG 👍💙
Ian Edwards
9 Posted
31/01/2025 at
17:13:54
played 104
Goals:14.
Assists: 7
Booked: 18
Moyes was probably meaning Alcaraz when he mentioned the quality of player we’ll sign this window due to FFP.
I’m hoping for Carney Chukwukemeka from Chelsea. Cracking player when Chelsea rotated and used him.
Michael Boardman
10 Posted
31/01/2025 at
17:15:37
Isn’t the limit on loans from English sides only? I heard, or maybe I dreamt it, that we still had some foreign club loan specs left, so not sure it’s a Mangala thing
Simon Harrison
11 Posted
31/01/2025 at
17:17:04
I owe you an apology for ‘dropping you in it’ on the other thread, where you said Mangala wouldn’t be recalled.
When I posted on the Transfer Window thread that he wouldn’t, I had read it from French press.
Why he has been recalled is to oversee his Rehab, and as far as I can see, his Loan has been terminated too.
Which thankfully means his wage is off the books, and as such has probably enabled this loan..?
Good wishes Sam.
PS You’re no relation to Col. Mike Hoare are you?
Ray Roche
12 Posted
31/01/2025 at
17:20:09
Del@7
Mangalas loan must have been cancelled Del, probably with some payment to his parent club.
Chris Leyland
13 Posted
31/01/2025 at
17:23:25
Great tennis player
Mihir Ambardekar
14 Posted
31/01/2025 at
17:23:41
He will do well. Energetic and is better than Doucoure. He should ideally replace him. Midfield of Garner, Gana and Alcaraz looks like a good energetic midfield. Now hope we sign 1 right winger and 1 good striker, we would score more goals and climb up the table.
Ian Edwards
15 Posted
31/01/2025 at
17:24:56
That would be a very uncreative midfield, Mihir. I’d go Garner, Lindstrom, Alcaraz.
Derek Knox
16 Posted
31/01/2025 at
17:27:53
He is certainly the right age if he proves to be good, towards any rebuilds, should we make his loan a permanent one. Look forward to see what he can offer !
Kevin Molloy
17 Posted
31/01/2025 at
17:30:36
let’s hope he’s better than his Dad.
Sam Hoare
18 Posted
31/01/2025 at
17:31:00
Ian@15, Gana has arguably been our best player this season and will start every match when fit.
Paul Smith
19 Posted
31/01/2025 at
17:32:24
Not a done deal yet – according to Alan Myers. Why Flamenco have confirmed it who knows.
Mick O’Malley
20 Posted
31/01/2025 at
17:32:32
Scored on his last appearance for Flamengo, let’s hope he can keep it up, welcome to Everton Charly
Jay Harris
21 Posted
31/01/2025 at
17:33:01
I anticipate us getting Chuck a butty from Chelsea on loan and sending Harrison back to Leeds and the spending what’s left on a striker of sorts. Pity we missed out on Tom Cannon IMO.
Jay Harris
22 Posted
31/01/2025 at
17:34:59
Derek,
I believe we are obliged to buy him as part of the loan deal.
Brian Williams
23 Posted
31/01/2025 at
17:39:00
Only if certain targets are reached Jay.
We have the option to buy which, as I say, can become mandatory if certain targets are reached.
Jim Bennings
24 Posted
31/01/2025 at
17:40:30
Other clubs seem to shop from that particular continent and usually you find these lads are technically gifted and have a nasty streak to match a work ethic.
I had to look twice to see the words “attacking midfielder” so it’s refreshing on that front anyway that it’s not yet another holding player.
We are crying out for a new technician in that midfield so here’s hoping.
Svein-Roger Jensen
25 Posted
31/01/2025 at
17:41:36
As far as his style of play goes, Alcaraz is most effective in a box-to-box midfield role, although especially so in an attacking sense, with his high work rate and decision-making blending well to make him influential both in and out of possession. He is a great ball carrier, with good core strength to glide past defenders, and his positive first touch allows him to smartly drive forward into vacant space, with a tendency of going deep into the opposition half whilst orchestrating his teams attacks, either on the counter or in slow build-up play situations.
Brian Williams
26 Posted
31/01/2025 at
17:42:16
Well I’m off to prepare myself for tomorrow’s good news.
Jeff Armstrong
27 Posted
31/01/2025 at
17:44:25
Jay 21, Leeds know Harrison is shite, theyre not taking him back.
Get over it.
Ray Roche
28 Posted
31/01/2025 at
17:44:54
According to Sky, its not a done deal yet.
Simon Harrison
29 Posted
31/01/2025 at
17:49:26
I’d see him sitting alongside Gueye, with probably Doucs at 10 still, until Jimmy-G is fit, then Charly to 10 and Garner at 8 alongside Gueye.
I doubt he’ll be eligible to play tomorrow (hopefully it’s all been done under the radar and he’s passed his fitness tests and got his playing clearances, but…)
Also, as several have said, what a refreshing change, we sign a player, and the first we fans hear of it is via confirmation we’ve signed him.!
Charly Alcaraz to Everton, “Here we go!”
Deal signed today
PS I wonder if this is the sort of gamble that Moyes was referring to in his presser today?
Mick O’Malley
30 Posted
31/01/2025 at
17:53:14
Hopefully I haven’t jumped the gun with the earlier post, but hopefully this goes through, we are desperate for attacking options
Brian Williams
31 Posted
31/01/2025 at
17:53:21
He’s coming for a medical tomorrow I think. Knowing our luck he’ll fall down the aircraft steps and do his ACL.
Mihir Ambardekar
32 Posted
31/01/2025 at
17:55:10
@Ian 15 Gana has been quite good this season and is very good at breaking up the play. Garner is tidy and keeps the midfield ticking. Alcaraz will be more attack minded and has previous experience in Premier league. He is definitely better passer and more attack minded compared to clumsy & poor Doucoure who has been responsible for killing most of our attacks with poor passing, control or shooting
Simon Harrison
33 Posted
31/01/2025 at
17:56:50
Not doubting you, but it is highly unlikely we’d sign a player who hasn’t had a fitness assessment. Oh, hang on we’re Everton..? Hehe
That might be why Sky are poo-pooing it’s a done deal while Fabrizio says it’s a done deal.
Les Moorcroft
34 Posted
31/01/2025 at
17:57:23
Pete 1
Well in positive from the get go.
Dennis Ng
35 Posted
31/01/2025 at
17:57:49
I hope he does well with us. “In our shirt Is our man”
Rob Halligan
36 Posted
31/01/2025 at
17:58:55
Think I remember him scoring a few decent goals for Southampton, the year they went down, and thinking to myself, “Wow, looks far too good for these”, so hopefully he can replicate that with us! 🙏🙏🙏
Shaun Parker
37 Posted
31/01/2025 at
17:59:08
We need a striker if even just for cover.
Unpopular choice but I can see Danny Ings landing.
Cheap and can score.
I hope not but at the moment beggars cant be choosers.
Derek Knox
38 Posted
31/01/2025 at
17:59:43
Replacing Doucoure ? Music to my ears !
Rob Halligan
39 Posted
31/01/2025 at
18:00:20
I dont mean him “being too good” for us, bit!
Kevin Molloy
40 Posted
31/01/2025 at
18:00:46
But Alan Myers said it was still up in the air. Can’t believe it, he’s normally so sourced. Or is that sauced.
Jay Harris
41 Posted
31/01/2025 at
18:03:56
I think its a great deal in the circumstances but still feel we need a goalscorer in.
Simon Harrison
42 Posted
31/01/2025 at
18:04:23
He looked a tidy player alright, I think he will chip in, but I think he’ll be the type of player to feed our wingers for the ‘Big Chance’ / assist ball.
In any regard, once we have Jimmy back up to fitness and Timmy coming back, he’ll make a superb upgrade on Doucs.
Though in fairness we owe Doucs our PL status and some “good times”. Unfortunately as with us all, Father Time is a cruel parent.
PS Day 43/100 and we make our first signing under our new custodianship
Brian Williams
43 Posted
31/01/2025 at
18:05:04
I think Sky were being careful as the agreement was “subject to medical” but I’m now not sure whether he’s had that or not yet.
Colin Crooks
44 Posted
31/01/2025 at
18:08:19
I Couldnt remember him, but on You tube (I know, I know ) there is 14 goals and assist. The assists seem a bit of a stretch, but if he can grab 2/3 goals or us in the coming weeks, he’ll be very welcome indeed
Ian Bennett
45 Posted
31/01/2025 at
18:08:52
Likely to be a good technical player, goal contributions and a good age.
Dean Johnson
46 Posted
31/01/2025 at
18:09:04
Sounds like a Thelwell signing
Simon Harrison
47 Posted
31/01/2025 at
18:09:22
I have a feeling, that with the deal being announced this late on a Friday, it may well be subject to papers and medical first.
He has played twice for Argentina, so that should mean he gets his papers, not to mention he played for Soton.
Just his medical. The fact that he has only had two injuries and just missed 55 days of playing time in nearly six years. I expect him to fly thru the medical too.
A great addition for the FA cup game methinks!
Mal van Schaick
48 Posted
31/01/2025 at
18:11:07
Loan him, but pay as you play with a review of his performance before we commit.
Simon Harrison
49 Posted
31/01/2025 at
18:11:13
What is that meant to mean? If Charly can be a positive addition to the squad, I wouldn’t care how many relegations he has on his CV.
One player doesn’t relegate a team…
Simon Harrison
50 Posted
31/01/2025 at
18:13:30
Read Rob’s post at [33] and Brian at [23]
Svein-Roger Jensen
51 Posted
31/01/2025 at
18:14:24
Highly technical, Alcaraz could oversees set-piece responsibilities for the team as he can deliver deadly accurate balls into the box and has already scored direct free kicks on a number of occasions. His masterly shooting technique adds an invaluable facet to any players locker. So definitely an upgrade in our midfield
Brian Williams
52 Posted
31/01/2025 at
18:14:28
Cheers for that Simon. 👍
Bobby Mallon
53 Posted
31/01/2025 at
18:24:26
Ian @15 doesn’t like Gana never has and never will no matter how well he plays.
Andrew James
54 Posted
31/01/2025 at
18:27:02
There are some wonderful players over there and hopefully Charly is one of them.
Rob Jones
55 Posted
31/01/2025 at
18:27:40
Dean, many of our better players under Moyes’ first tenure were relegated players. It’s how financially screwed clubs like us find value.
Jeff Armstrong
56 Posted
31/01/2025 at
18:28:08
Morrisons biggest achievement in life is eradicating the phrase”you know what ah mean” from his vocabulary in his time as a football “expert”.
Simon Harrison
57 Posted
31/01/2025 at
18:30:01
On Lyndon’s second project ‘Evertonia’, in the article on there regards Alcaraz, he has stated that the deal is dependent on passing his medical, so I assume you’re correct regards his medical, whether tomorrow or Sunday, to sort his personal situation out at home maybe. I.e. just the usual stuff, sorting the cat out and milk etc.. hehe
Colin Metcalfe
59 Posted
31/01/2025 at
18:36:49
Just got a message from a mate of mine who is a big Saints fan, said he was dencent when he got the chance as apparently he didnt get many opportunities to play but he was very young and homesick by all accounts.
Lets hope his past experiences will help him settle quickly because surely he an upgrade on Harrison and Doucoure.
John Raftery
60 Posted
31/01/2025 at
18:44:56
We need him to settle into the squad quickly. That he has some experience of playing in this country gives him a fighting chance of doing so. I hope he is fully fit. We have previously had players signing in January, Niasse and McGready being the two obvious examples, who had ‘de-trained before joining us.
Mike Corcoran
61 Posted
31/01/2025 at
18:46:57
Like if Doucoure could play football. Moyes used to often pull a cracker in the Jan window. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cv2ocBv5xT8&pp=ygUXY2FybG9zIGFsY2FyYXogZm9vdGJhbGw%3D
Andrew Bentley
62 Posted
31/01/2025 at
18:47:54
Hope he settles here. Been moved around a lot in the last 2 years and we desperately need him to hit the ground running!
Pete Day
63 Posted
31/01/2025 at
18:50:23
Skillful player, and when hes on it he’s on it! Needs to be played on the front foot, joining midfield and attack or off the striker, my saints supporting family loved him and were gutted to see him go, I watched him alot when they were in the championship, fingers crossed he improves us and is the start of the new buying model
Mike Corcoran
64 Posted
31/01/2025 at
18:53:02
Probably end up with Antolin not Carlos. Im not gonna be able to bear me dad calling him Alcatraz and thinking hes a comedian again.
Mal van Schaick
65 Posted
31/01/2025 at
18:53:16
#Simon #50 I have read those posts. Thanks.
#56 Jeff. I totally agree with your sentiments.
Anthony Dwyer
66 Posted
31/01/2025 at
18:56:34
Aged 22 experiences in both England and Italy aswel as Brazil and his native Argentina, seems a good signing too me.
Christy Ring
67 Posted
31/01/2025 at
18:58:06
Everton haven’t confirmed the deal yet, but nothing new there. He has to be an upgrade on Doucoure.
Rob Dolby
68 Posted
31/01/2025 at
19:06:53
Weird he went off to juve and then flamenco for their record signing only to be going out on loan 6 months later.
It’s only a loan so let’s see what he has to offer, 22 years of age, and experience in the prem is a bonus. Bit more concerning juve and flamenco have got shut pretty quickly.
Mike Gaynes
69 Posted
31/01/2025 at
19:07:55
(trying to use up all the tennis jokes here)
Alcaraz will provide some maximum security in the midfield as long as we don’t cage him up or leave him on an island.
(trying to use up all the prison puns here)
Svein-Roger and Pete Day, thanks for those scouting reports.
Simon, no, he has not made his full debut for Argentina… just the U23s.
Andrew Ellams
70 Posted
31/01/2025 at
19:07:57
It will be his 4th move in 2 years though which is something of a red flag.
Edward Rogers
71 Posted
31/01/2025 at
19:09:26
I’m o.k. with this, we’re obviously waiting until 11.00pm on Monday to swoop for Mbappe & Lamine Yamal!!!
Rob Halligan
72 Posted
31/01/2025 at
19:10:56
Dean # 46………Jordan Pickford got relegated with Sunderland. Hasnt turned out too bad, has he, even winning one or two England caps along the way.
Andrew Ellams
73 Posted
31/01/2025 at
19:12:41
He did make the full squad earlier this season Mike but didn’t get a cap. Sometime soon I guess.
Dave Abrahams
74 Posted
31/01/2025 at
19:13:01
Svien – Roger Jensen (25and51), The way you describe his qualities it seems we will be getting a quite remarkable player and all for £14M if he fits the bill, looks like we have stolen a march on dozens of clubs, cant wait to see him.
Mike Gaynes
75 Posted
31/01/2025 at
19:13:04
Got to laugh… I predicted previously that whoever we signed this weekend would instantly be portrayed as a “panic buy” on TW, and Pete made me look wise on the very first post of this thread!
John Hall
76 Posted
31/01/2025 at
19:19:16
Svein-Roger (25) – he sounds Douc’s replacement. Got to get Douc off the books ASAP!
Mike Gaynes
77 Posted
31/01/2025 at
19:19:33
Andrew #73, don’t see his name in the current Argentina squad, but it’s good to know that he has been there at least.
Rob Halligan
78 Posted
31/01/2025 at
19:20:32
Mike, what you should have asked Pete, why does he think it is a panic buy? Needless to say, you wouldnt have got a reply!
John Hall
79 Posted
31/01/2025 at
19:20:32
Why is he moving around so much? Does he kick the teapot over at h/t?
Ian Wilkins
80 Posted
31/01/2025 at
19:24:40
Interesting loan to buy. Can play several positions, we need that optionally.
Saints supporting family member says he had real potential. There could be a good player in there.
David Peate
81 Posted
31/01/2025 at
19:29:02
Alcaraz on BBC website says he is an Everton loan player.
Joe McMahon
82 Posted
31/01/2025 at
19:30:55
Haven’t been able to keep up, shit busy day. Does anyone know if he can play upfront?
Dennis Stevens
83 Posted
31/01/2025 at
19:33:51
It’s on Wiki, so it must be true!
Edward Rogers
84 Posted
31/01/2025 at
19:36:10
World’s gone mad. £71 million for John Duran from Villa!!!! Bloody hell!
Mike Gaynes
85 Posted
31/01/2025 at
19:37:47
Edward, I don’t think they have PSR in the Saudi league!
Emma Day
86 Posted
31/01/2025 at
19:37:49
Just been watching him on YouTube (I know) but he seems a very similar player to Ross Barkley.
Stu Darlington
87 Posted
31/01/2025 at
19:50:05
Hes played in the Premier League.
Hes 22,warm and breathing.About all I expected with the state of our finances.
Im a bit disappointed we havent gone for someone like Walker-Peters,decent player for not much money.
Suppose there must be a reason.
Brian Williams
88 Posted
31/01/2025 at
19:53:14
That’s Euro’s.
It’s around £64m, still ridiculous though.
Mike Doyle
89 Posted
31/01/2025 at
19:54:28
Stu. We may have gone for Walker-Peters (who I like too) and he may not fancy us.
Im regularly reminded by the under 35 year olds I work with that Everton are not a big/attractive club … we are a mid-low level EPL team who never win anything.
Colin Glassar
90 Posted
31/01/2025 at
19:55:21
False flag.
Mike Gaynes
91 Posted
31/01/2025 at
20:00:47
“Its certainly not for the want of trying. Undoubtedly were still hampered with PSR. Im really jealous of watching a lot of teams who can attempt to go for players at expensive prices. At the moment, were not quite there but we dont want to get ourselves in a position weve been in before with points deductions so we have to be really mindful of what we do. We hope to bring in some players but maybe its not the ones who, if we really had the money, wed be trying to do.”
The Everton manager admits the PSR challenges have increased his admiration for the business conducted by his predecessor, Sean Dyche, and director of football, Kevin Thelwell, to keep the club afloat in the Premier League in recent seasons. “Ive been really surprised at the way its restricting the football club,” Moyes added. “Evertons a huge football club and should be competing with many of the big clubs in the country and hopefully spending in a way where its right and challenging for the big players who are available.
“Theres not that many in January, to be honest, but the PSR is hindering us. I think I can see now why the last few years at Everton have been so difficult. The people whove had to work under the restrictions have done a remarkable job.”
Interesting that he apparently wasn’t clear on our situation BEFORE he joined the club.
Svein-Roger Jensen
92 Posted
31/01/2025 at
20:00:58
Let ease him into the firing line and I have no doubt he will soon be an important player for the club. Up the Toffees
Edward Rogers
93 Posted
31/01/2025 at
20:01:35
Cheers Brian, obscene either way!
Kevin Molloy
94 Posted
31/01/2025 at
20:05:16
some cocky little shite at Claret and Booze with good contacts at the club is cockahoop on YouTube that they’ve just sucker punched us.
Brian Wilkinson
95 Posted
31/01/2025 at
20:15:50
Worth having a look at at only 22 the sort of younger players fans have been asking for, Guaye and Doucoure are not getting any younger, so this lad might slot in alongside Iroegbunam and Garner for the long term future.
Robert Tressell
96 Posted
31/01/2025 at
20:24:18
Firstly, does this mean we have managed to cancel someone’s loan? If so, presumably Mangala – because otherwise we wouldn’t have another loan space free?
Otherwise, it kind of illustrates where we are as a club at the moment. Although Alcaraz has some talent and did well at Saints in their last relegation season (6 goal contributions in 18 games), he isn’t now a sought after player.
His career seems to be on a downward trajectory and he’s behind the likes of Buonanotte of Leicester (on loan from Brighton) in the Argentina set-up (in fact Alcaraz has never been capped by Argentina).
Really, we are signing him because he is available – and in truth there probably aren’t many players we would be remotely interested in who are available to us and might actually improve the side. Very, very few.
But, on the upside, he is young – and has possibly just had a series of unfortunate transfers since leaving Argentina as a 19/20 year old. Varela and Danilo were the other two top prospects who left South America at about the same time – and both have done well at Porto and Forest respectively.
Everton could be the right club at the right time. If it happens, I’ll be excited to see him play as the more advanced of a trio in a 433 – and certainly a much more technically gifted player than Doucoure in that role.
Paul Kernot
97 Posted
31/01/2025 at
20:24:46
Jay #21. I really miss Scouse humour. Have lived away for a long time.
Chris Leyland
98 Posted
31/01/2025 at
20:31:37
Robert T – the rules now are 2 domestic loans at any one time and 6 from outside your own country.
Robert Tressell
99 Posted
31/01/2025 at
20:34:48
Thanks Chris – if that’s the case then I wouldn’t be surprised to see more loan activity. Still reckon we might get 1 or 2 more in before the window closes.
Paul Hewitt
100 Posted
31/01/2025 at
20:34:52
West ham apparently beaten us to him.
Rob Halligan
101 Posted
31/01/2025 at
20:35:27
Ok, so West Ham are based in London, so what, doesnt mean any player should go there just because of that. They are a fuck all club,in a shithouse stadium and have won fuck all.
And Paul, # 100…..no they havent! Hes not going to West Ham.
Chris Leyland
102 Posted
31/01/2025 at
20:36:28
Robert – its actually 6 now. 8 was 2022/3 and it dropped to 7 last season and 6 now.
Mr Kenrick explains it here from a few years ago:
https://www.ToffeeWeb.com/season/21-22/comment/talkingpoints/42251.html
Pat Kelly
103 Posted
31/01/2025 at
20:37:05
This guy gets around. At least off the pitch. Hopefully, he has something to offer.
Kevin Molloy
104 Posted
31/01/2025 at
20:39:53
Rob yes, Trevor Brooking he aint. Someone’s told him something, let’s hope he’s got his Cockney rhyming slang all a muddle, and someone’s aving a giraffe with him.
Paul Hewitt
105 Posted
31/01/2025 at
20:43:43
Well Alan Meyers still saying it’s not a done deal.
Brian Williams
106 Posted
31/01/2025 at
20:43:53
If it’s six, which it isn’t, isn’t it strange that when you check the number of on loan players premier league clubs have, the maximum ANY club has, and there are a number who have this amount, is four! Nobody has five or six simply because the maximum is FOUR!
Stu Darlington
107 Posted
31/01/2025 at
20:44:47
Mike @ 69
Used up all the tennis jokes??
I cannot believe it!!
Ian Bennett
108 Posted
31/01/2025 at
20:47:52
What was the highest number of Loans last season for a club Brian?
Brian Williams
109 Posted
31/01/2025 at
20:48:59
I’m talking about this season because that’s the season we’re playing in.
Rob Halligan
110 Posted
31/01/2025 at
20:49:59
Paul # 105……..we know its not a done deal, because he hasnt signed yet!🙄🙄🙄
Robert Tressell
111 Posted
31/01/2025 at
20:50:24
Brian, to be honest, I also thought it was 2 domestic and 2 overseas, but I don’t actually know. You seem plausible – but then so does Chris. Who do I believe?
Ian Wilkins
112 Posted
31/01/2025 at
20:53:36
If you cancel a loan then register another presumably you need PL approval.
Maybe somebody jumped the gun..
David West
113 Posted
31/01/2025 at
20:56:19
Can’t remember any of us mentioning his name !
Shows what we all know !!!
Also shows how the management & DOF are dealing with actual possible deals that they can do.
Others that we’ve all mentioned may just be pipe dreams, media bollocks or just us all hoping for players never really in our grasp.
Dont remember anyone championing Ndiaye before we got him either so, I’m keeping my opinion on this fella to my self, untill I see him in the blue shirt!
Rob Halligan
114 Posted
31/01/2025 at
20:56:34
Loans between Premier League clubs and other English counterparts are officially called temporary transfers.
Under the rules in the Premier League Handbook 2024/25 (Download PDF, size: 18.2MB), there are restrictions on how many players Premier League clubs can loan from other Premier League/English clubs.
They are:
– Premier League clubs may not register more than two players on loan at any one time.
– The maximum number of loans registrable in the same season is four, and, under no circumstances, shall more than one be from the same club at any one time.
– Premier League clubs cannot loan to another Premier League club a player they have acquired in the same transfer window.
– A Premier League club may loan not more than one of its goalkeepers to another Premier League club.
With the exception of Welsh clubs competing in the competitions listed under Rule V.6.2, loans from a club in membership of another National Association do not count towards the above quotas.
Stuart Sharp
115 Posted
31/01/2025 at
20:58:01
OK Rob, but how many loan players are we allowed?
Bobby Mallon
116 Posted
31/01/2025 at
21:07:23
Rob can you repeat that
David West
117 Posted
31/01/2025 at
21:08:57
Moyes has looked at the financials and said. “shit !!! How’ve you kept this ship sailing ??? “”
I’m of the feeling Thelwell has provided decent enough players, with the Psr restrictions, it was just the manager that held the team back.
Bit more wiggle room with PSR, better manager, better tactics we could see ahuge improved Everton!
Les Moorcroft
118 Posted
31/01/2025 at
21:10:29
Were do west ham come into this story?
Kevin Prytherch
119 Posted
31/01/2025 at
21:10:41
But didnt we sign Straq on loan a few years ago, does that mean we have one less loan space?
Brian Williams
120 Posted
31/01/2025 at
21:13:12
David Moyes side already have four players on loan, which would mean one of those signings would need to become a permanent one or go back to their parent club to allow them to bring Chukwuemeka in until the end of the season due to Premier League rules prohibiting teams loaning more than four players at once.
Brendan McLaughlin
121 Posted
31/01/2025 at
21:13:17
Think it’s seven.
Dennis Stevens
122 Posted
31/01/2025 at
21:16:35
Mike #91 – I’m not sure any manager Everton has recruited has ever known what they’re walking into until it’s too late!
Tony Abrahams
123 Posted
31/01/2025 at
21:19:59
Dyches football was killing us but managing Everton, was obviously doing the same thing to Sean Dyche, and if he was told there was no money, then Im glad he did the honest and honourable thing, by telling TFG, that he couldnt really carry on because of the current debilitating nature of managing Everton FC.
Every game is big, but I personally think tomorrows game is the biggest game of our season, so far, because it could really pull us away, or suddenly pull us a lot closer, to the relegation zone.
Rob Halligan
124 Posted
31/01/2025 at
21:26:28
Les # 118…….some cockney knobhead saying he has inside information that Alcaraz wants to go to West Ham. This knobhead has had a real grudge against Moyes for the past couple of years, and is now spouting shit that Alcaraz is going to West Ham, just because Moyes was offered Alcaraz when he was West Ham manager, but turned him down, and he would like to see Moyes denied the chance to get the player. This is the same West Ham fan who also had inside information on Duran of Aston Villa going to West Ham. That turned out well didnt it!
Ian Bennett
125 Posted
31/01/2025 at
21:34:58
Ipswich currently have 4 loans, and are looking at further loan deals in the striker department. No mention of any loan signings being released. Mckemna doesn’t sound hopeful though.
So either u21s don’t count or overseas loans with an obligation to buy are treated differently. Alcaraz is an obligation to buy interestingly, rather than a straight loan.
Assuming Mangala is terminated, then that is either covering Alcaraz or is indeed another spot. The timing of the announcements will probably highlight this.
Id be very surprised if you could loan 6 players last year, and only 4 this year. The fifa rules didn’t do that for sure, and I’d be surprised if Premier league rules have changed that much this season.
Let’s see.
Stuart Sharp
126 Posted
31/01/2025 at
21:36:37
Thanks for clearing that up Brendan.
Brendan McLaughlin
127 Posted
31/01/2025 at
21:42:45
Yes under 21’s are treated differently. Does that explain the Forest situation?
Les Moorcroft
128 Posted
31/01/2025 at
21:44:22
Rob 124
Thanks for that. If he comes good luck to the lad.
Mike Gaynes
129 Posted
31/01/2025 at
21:46:21
Tony #123, great point, although I wonder whether TFG viewed their conversation with Dyche as doing the “honest and honourable thing” because of the clear hostility of the parting. Based on TFG’s terse statement, I’m not sure they would describe Dyche in those terms.
Paul Ferry
130 Posted
31/01/2025 at
21:50:19
Ian Bennett
131 Posted
31/01/2025 at
21:52:48
If that’s the rule, I’d be going hard for Karim Konate out of Red Bull Salzberg on a loan with obligation to buy. He’s U21, Red Bull have been knocked out of the Champions League, and would offer an exciting future.
He’s the type of young and up and coming player we need to be looking at. A good goal scoring record, admittedly in a lower league.
Mike Gaynes
132 Posted
31/01/2025 at
22:04:55
Ian #131, I’m afraid not. I saw Konate carried out of a Champions League game with a blown-out knee. And looking it up I see it was his second major knee injury in three months.
Ian Bennett
133 Posted
31/01/2025 at
22:10:19
What they making these lads out if?
Dennis Stevens
134 Posted
31/01/2025 at
22:27:04
I’m just hoping that nobody at the Club has the bright idea of making Harrison a permanent signing in order to free up a loan slot
Nick Strong
135 Posted
31/01/2025 at
22:43:03
Didnt he used to play centre back for us?
Sam Hoare
136 Posted
31/01/2025 at
22:43:27
I tend to agree with Robert. Its a bit of a strange move for a player whos never really taken off anywhere but still has time to do so. His versatility could be useful to Moyes. Like an Argentinian Philip Neville.
Am curious to see where he fits in and whether the Southampton fans saying hes got a terrible touch for an Argentine are right or just bitter.
Robert Tressell
137 Posted
31/01/2025 at
22:49:01
As for Konate – it’s as Mike says he’s seriously injured. Good player but then so was Koita until injured and now he’s completely disappeared.
There’s really only 3 strikers in world football I’d be confident would prove good signings from the off; they are Delap, Ferguson and Giminez. Whether they are really gettable is another matter. They will all cost a much much bigger fee than we’ve spent for about 6 years – and have plenty of options too.
Once you get below £40m for a striker the output is very hit and miss.
Paul Kossoff
138 Posted
31/01/2025 at
22:57:01
Chris 4 It could all go east would we fail.
Paul Kossoff
139 Posted
31/01/2025 at
23:14:47
I see ex Watford and Brighton boss Oscar Garcia has been given a three-match touchline ban for kicking our ex James Rodriguez during a Mexican league game. Apparently Oscar owed Benetez a favour. 😀
Neil Tyrrell
140 Posted
01/02/2025 at
00:22:18
I miss the rants from Claret & Booze, someone here – probably Rob? – turned me onto that site a few years back, and their hatred of Moyes was more entertaining than 90% of the PL footy I’ve watched in the last few years. Not to mention their hatred of the WHU ownership and the stadium. That channel is pure comedy gold!
Jerome Shields
141 Posted
01/02/2025 at
00:24:44
I did not expect a injured Managla to make way for Alcartz.It is possible that a forward will move so a replacement is brought in.
It’s seems that PSR is still a consideration and trying to work in available players is difficult.
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