Abject Everton somehow hand toothless Saints first win

We are a rudderless ship that may end up sinking before we get to be waterside.

The ginger twat has to go. I would rather have no one than this joker. If we are playing shit, would we be that much worse with two up top? We will never know as this idiot seems to think the tactics he has used for the last 2 years are working.

We play with one up front whilst most other clubs play with three up front and we wonder why we struggle in front of the goal?

I don’t care what anyone says, when you are a Premier League manager on £5 million quid a year managing Premier League players on thousands of pound per week, you SHOULD be able to get some semblance of playing style.

He’s been here almost 2 years and I don’t think there’s even a plan A.

It’s just try to bang the ball as high and long as hard as possible and get a corner or a set piece and try and nick something.

It’s absolutely abysmal, and this isn’t a knee jerk response, it’s a very level headed assessment of the shite we are being served up and told is the best available to us.

Bollocks it is.

Tell that to clubs like Bournemouth and Brighton who continue to churn out good managers, despite losing good players and many changes.

Tell that to Nottingham Forest who have had Nuno Espirito Santo 12 months and already had changed the dynamic at that football club.

We are sold a shite product every single year and told that we should expect nothing better.

From day one this manager has spoken of relegation battles even despite finishing on effectively 48 points was it, last season, the first words you hear are survival, avoid relegation, struggles.

This has been poor for far too long and some section of the fanbase will have you believe he’s doing a great job, they isolate 5 games we had in April and choose to ignore that we didn’t win a game of football between December and April last season.

People say possession in football doesn’t matter, well it doesn’t as long as you actually win the game, but too often this surrendering of the ball to shite opponents is resulting in us losing those games.

It’s time for a change now.

I’d give the job to Moyes until May and that should give us plenty of time to really work out where we need to be going as a club when we move to Bramley Moore Dock.

The Friedkin takeover can’t come soon enough, I just hope they are actually going to act and show some genuine ambition.

He has to go once the new ownership is settled. That means he’s out before the transfer window opens. This team/squad isn’t as bad as Dyche makes us look.

If Dyche had a team of superstars he’d still play this turgid, cowardly, feeble, timid, brainless, moronic, clueless, idiotic, mindless, boring shit that he serves up every game.

Why do I say this? Because he’s an extremely limited manager whose highest achievements in football are surviving relegation battles playing the above mentioned style of “football”.

Stay or leave we will stay up this season, despite Dyche. But this is untenable in the medium-long term. The players will keep us up.

AM I alone in believing our players aren’t very good ?The sole task of the manager is to hold the fort until the Club’s ownership changes.

Only then will Dyche’s future be determined. Meanwhile we can only expect him to do his best to save us from relegation !

‘Rock and a hard place syndrome,’ me thinks.

I was reading the live forum, and remembering how boring last week’s game was before I got home to watch the last twenty minutes on a shite stream that kept sticking, so I was very surprised when I watched the highlights by how many chances we actually had.

Nearly every club, voted to keep VAR, so they must all like those incredible borderline decisions that take four minutes to decide, but it meant Beto’s goal never stood.

Beto should have definitely scored another, their keeper possibly got lucky with Mangala’s shot, made a world class save from Michael Keane, who was then inexplicably pulled up for a foul, and how Jack Harrison, never hit the target after having so much time to follow the ball, is beyond me.

So definitely enough chances to convincingly win the game, but I think most Evertonians, want another change of manager, because they are fed up with the lack of creative football?

Kunal @15
I think that’s part of the problem at Goodison, the current manager has little incentive to do well, as it would seem given the sentiments on these pages and elsewhere, he knows that his face doesn’t quite fit at Everton.

He can trundle along in the almost certain knowledge, bar a disastrous run of form, that he will survive to the end of his contract and go on his merry way. Quite a few of the players also find themselves in this position too, which isn’t ideal for the club.

If the team was to go on a massive points gathering run, it would surely accelerate the end of Dyche’s tenure, only Everton could be in such a ridiculous position and as others have said, the takeover can’t be ratified soon enough for all concerned.

Even if Dyche was an actual positive manager, how much desire does he have to really bother with this now?

There almost zero percent chance he’s getting a contract extension so he knows his time here will be up in May.

Maybe he wants to keep his stock at the lower echelon clubs by not suffering relegation, but there we are again, we keep coming back to that word, relegation.

For what it’s worth, I believe he would have got relegation with Burnley anyway in 21/22 before they sacked him in the April.

Derek (16) You are not alone. They aren’t very good. Southampton played with one, sometimes none, up front. They had five at the back, doubled up on Ndiaye, who took a knock early in the game, and snuffed out our lame attacks in the first half.

We improved the output after the changes on the hour but not the end product. In the key moments our players simply lacked the quality to finish chances.

Derek 16 agree totally.
Tony 17 We all want a better brand or style of football. Some expect a new manager to turn the same squad into City or the shite.

We are a bottom 5 team.
Ipswich, Southampton, Leicester Us and Wolves will be battling it out all season to stay out of the bottom 3.

We played Fulham last week and practically all of their players get into our starting 11.

If we swapped Dyche for Fulham’s Silva what do you think would happen?

There are better players in and around this squad than the performances and results return.

We have England internationals, Senegalese internationals, Belgian internationals, Ukrainian international, Denmark international players at our disposal.

You would think Dyche was managing a Sunday League team in the FA Cup 1st round the way some paint the picture.

@18 Fred. That’s true, but if Dyche and the players out of contract at the end of the season want another club then surely they need to be showing some worth.

The key as you say is getting the TFG takeover done as quickly as possible. If it’s the rumoured 10-12 week period for completion then that surely takes us to the takeover being completed end of this month or latest by the second week of December. Maybe they already have plans to replace him in time for January window to open. Either way TFG will have a good six months to get some of those building blocks in place off the field and turn attention swiftly into bringing in a new manager should they decide to stick with Dyche for the duration of this season. January will be another key milestone for this club I feel.

Jim 26,
All teams in the prem are full of international players.

We have a group of functional stoppers that lack guile and quality.

Even when we create chances we need 4 or 5 to score a goal.

What team and formation would you play to get the best out of our internationals?

Do we have a Cole Palmer or Young striker in the u23s that can come in and hit the ground running?

Southampton would arguably have been beaten today by every other team in the division.

I can accept the low block, men behind the ball, try-and-nick-a-goal approach against better teams. But against what is probably the poorest side in the league it just seems disingenuous.

With Branthwaite at CB, we could have played 10 yards higher and took the game to them. But we just retained the same shape and did nothing. Passive and reactionary.

Today was 3 points thrown away – simply down to an inability to alter the gameplan, even just slightly, in the face of poor opposition.

Rob

We play the game in fear of everyone.

Are you happy with watching that?

Are you one of those people brainwashed by the media or the club, keep little old Everton down there where they belong?

When I’m seeing clubs like Bournemouth have managers that are bold, have bollocks about them, it tells me something fundamentally is wrong at Everton that we have to tolerate such losers mentality football.

I think the first thing that Silva, would say is how do you expect me to manage with Michael Keane, playing center half, when I couldn’t manage with him last time Rob.

Modern football is about Pace, and until we bring some pace into the team, I think we will continue to struggle whoever is managing us.

Just getting a bit more pace out wide, would make a massive difference to our team, I’m sure.

Football used to be a game of magic memorable moments, that fans remember forever. Not it’s a game of millimetres, stressful waits, instead of great joyous celebration. DCL last week and Beto this week are apparently one or two millimetres offside. Last week the linesman flagged, whilst today he didn’t. Are they obvious errors – no. VAR is crucifying and taking the ultimate joy out of football. Just ask the Coventry supporters, who were denied a FA Cup final and lifelong memories, when VAR denied them a last minute winner versus ManU.

As for Dyche management style. EFC are in such a mess, they most probably can’t afford to sack him until TFG is in total charge. The players are better than he believes in my opinion. Why he won’t play 3 in midfield and give us a chance to win the midfield battle in matches beats me. Gueye, Mangala and Garner when fit. Ndiaye a free role and DCL or Beto up front. McNeill in front of the midfield 3. Lindstrom subs in for McNeill. Branthwaite plays from the start. Can you imagine the RS not picking St VVD, if he had been injured and was back to full fitness !

To be fair to Silva, he played most games with Everton on the front foot.

I don’t forget the way we took the game to Liverpool at Anfield (the infamous Origi crossbar derby)

He had one poor spell in October and November 2019 but his problems began with the loss of Gana on the cheap to PSG and Kurt Zouma’s loan expiring in summer of that year.

Trigger happy Moshiri should have backed him but gave in too soon.

Branthwaite not starting over either Keane or Tarkowski was criminal.

Short passing we see every week in the training videos posted on You Tube nowhere to be seen in game situations.

Ndiaye stuck on wing with McNeil in the middle when each has a skill set that says that should be reversed.

Subs rotten again as Lindstrom should have been off for Harrison in a straight swap.

Bench had zero depth.

Dyche has to go. His position is untenable. Dare I say that anyone of the posters on here could get more out of that team than he could.