Moyes the favourite to succeed Dyche at Everton

Just amazement. No, No, No.

Where is Tony Marsh when we need him?

Who would we all choose then? I bet many available managers would not want to risk being relegated.

As I said on the Never Go Back thread, how about Moyes and Carsley with the latter as long term manager?

Just no..depressing… had enough of this. What did he win in 11 years at Everton? I seem to have forgotten.

The Ginger one returns to lead us into the new stadium.

Even Dear Bill couldn’t create a better script than that!

MG #4, no interest in taking on the Everton job? No, I didn’t read that either, he actually said he would like to go away and win some titles, how is he going to do that without taking on a club job?again he didn’t specifically say win titles at international level, so his quickest and numerically obvious way is to win titles is at club level.

Carsley has never ever stated he wants to be an International level manager for his whole career, has he?

I suppose that there is a certain perverse logic in the wheel turning full circle

I’ve always followed the Duke of Gloucester’s words since I first read them at Bootle Tech/Hugh Baird: “As flies to wanton boys are we to th’ gods: they kill us for their sport”.

Jeff A, Carsley has never said that he has no interest in managing at the club-level, but it seems to me that he has made it clear that he would like to stick to the U21s for the time being.

U21s to club-level; or U21s to Ireland?

I can’t imagine even the keenest of Moyes’s fans at the club can find too much enthusiasm at the prospect of his return. I can’t imagine Moyes himself is altogether keen on the idea.

If it does happen, it will be pragmatism on the part of the owners and of Moyes himself. Not many clubs would take him on after being sacked twice by West Ham. For the owners, it would make sense to bring in Moyes as he is to some degree competent and would probably stand a greater chance of keeping Everton up.

Whether or not it happens will largely depend on a combination of money and commitment. Moyes will be looking for plenty of both, and the owners will certainly be looking to offer a reasonable amount of the former but as little as possible of the latter.

As for the fan reaction, well I didn’t mind him terribly as a manager when he was here, though he had his faults, but it is difficult to find it anything other than disheartening. Still, we are in the brown stuff at the minute so maybe we’ll have to be pragmatic and put up with it for a bit. COYB (I suppose)

Nice bit of seeing things through a rosy Moyes-lens there Anthony (10).

Your view of signings with us and West-Ham is breathtakingly one-dimensional. Perhaps you could list each signing to make your point and we can all make our own minds up.

“Anyone who holds any bitterness towards him joining utd needs there [SIC] head testing”.

I doubt that there (their?) are many who feel “bitter” (such a lazy and easy term here) a dozen years later. However, I imagine that there might well be more than a few who wonder at the gall of the man and, actually, for good footballing reasons, would prefer that Moyes did not come back for longer than six months.

More knife to a gunfight mentality to deal with.

This club will never learn, expected something different and perhaps radical from the new ownership in all honesty, very underwhelming and not even sure its a safe pair of hands. Hearing a 2 year contract on radio earlier.

Jeff #6, I can’t comment on what Carsley didn’t say, just on what he did say, which is that he’s happy being a coach and doesn’t want to manage.

And the fact is that he has never, ever sought a club managerial job in his entire coaching career. He filled in as a caretaker at Coventry, Brentford and Birmingham for ten games a decade or so ago. He was even Championship Manager of the Month at Brentford but left the job anyway.

Gavin #9, I’d call myself a strong Moyes supporter when he was here, but I’m completely depressed at the prospect of his return. This is the opposite of what I expected from TFG and I’m shocked that they’d even consider him except to keep us up. Still hoping the reports prove wrong.

But I think you’re right about it being pure pragmatism. If everything I’ve read in the New York Times is right, Friedkin got shocked by his conversations with Dyche, whom he was planning to keep for a while, and had to sack him. The same thing happened at Roma when De Rossi suddenly blew up his relationship with the club president and they had to make an instant change. It didn’t go well — they got the wrong guy and eventually went back for Ranieri, who had managed Roma twice before and steadied the ship.

Maybe they’re seeing Moyes as Everton’s Ranieri. Beats me.

Paul (12) there are a fair few who still feel bitter about Moyes, look at the other thread.

I agree with you he definitely signed some duds, but he also made some really astute signings, for us anyway.

He’s a pragmatic choice for the situation we’re in. Best I can say.

Dominic King at the Mail seems to believe that it’s a done deal. I suppose if we were all asked to choose between Moyes and Dyche, having experienced both managers, many would choose the Scotsman. That’s not to say we have to be happy at the imminent return of our former manager, but as always, the fans will rally around the team in order to keep it from the clutches of relegation. Short-termism is what got us into this mess, will we ever be able to see a longer term vision for this club of ours?

Moyes is expected to sign terms that will run until June 2027 and Everton a formal announcement is expected at some point on Saturday.

The Scot has spent the last 48 hours working on the make up of his backroom staff and he will be joined at Goodison Park by long-term ally Billy McKinlay.

If Dominic King is correct, it means that David Moyes was working on his backroom staff, prior to Sean Dyche’s removal?

Ambivalent about this. Okay, if he had a 6 months’ contract – it would contain bonuses for keeping Everton up I think – whereas a 2 year contract would be less defined in that direction in my opinion – but I may be quite wrong. If it was the case then, a longer contract makes economical sense on a certain level.

Moyes could do worse than bringing Cahill in as his number 2! It would at least smooth things over with the fanbase.

One thing is for sure – I think he will be directly involved in the transferring in of players – it will be interesting to see how it works out with Thelwell – Moyes, at least, was very good at picking up good players for a bargain!

I like Moyes as a man and was lucky enough to meet him in person, but he is not the answer going forward. There is no point in going back to the past. I also don’t agree with sacking Dyche at this point. He’s performed minor miracles the last two seasons to keep us up. This season has not been good, but we would not have gone down. Summer would have been the right time to switch to a new manager. Now we are “looking for a safe pair of hands “, when we already had a manager, dire as the football was, who presented a safe pair of hands. If Moyes gets appointed to replace Dyche, then Friedkins are really just Moshiri 2.0. I’m not happy.

My last choice is the Friedkins first choice.

If Moyes keeps us up it has been a good decision but I am very worried that he won’t.

If we don’t get a new manager bounce I am going to be extremely worried.

Two or three good signings are essential and I hope Moyes doesn’t immediately think he can dispense with any of our best players. I also hope he does not arrive and try to be the big I am guy and fall out with some of the senior players.

Hmmm. I suppose you could say he’s a safe pair of hands but how will he get on with Thelwell? When he was here last time he was well in with and supported by Bill. At the moment we don’t have any established senior management so not too sure how he will fit in when the structure is finalised.

Two tough games coming up so something of a baptism of fire. At least he should have a few training sessions.

You’re right Jimmy (18). Is hate the same as bitterness?

A long-term deal for Moyes – June 2027, cripes thanks for that Fred – might well see a P45 for Thelwell (is it still P45? I’ve been away for too long.). Doesn’t Moyes famously have a dim view of DOFs?

Paul @12.
For instace for West ham Moyes signed Kudus, Bowen, Paqueta, Soucek, Benrahma, Aguerd, Zouma, ward prouse. Some others who didn’t work out, but I think the above ones would improve us dramatically.

He inherited a squad that was destined for the championship and beyond when he first joined us and on a shoe string budget he transformed us into a top 6 side. He managed to get 4th with Marcus Bent up top, Marcus Bent (£400k may I add).

For me Moyes is a massive improvement on Sam, Martinez, Benitez, Lampard and Dyche.

As for when he left he went to the biggest club in the land after having his hands tied behind his back for a decade at us, and as for him sniffing around his old players I don’t know many mangers who don’t.

You call it rose tinted glasses, I call it practicality.

Lastly Paul, who would you like us to go and get for no fee ?

In a perfect world I’d love to see Thomas Frank come here and see what he could do with backing, but it’s not an ideal world.

I’d also have liked to see us go down the Bournemouth or Brighton route and try a complete new dynamic, but again, maybe it’s too much too soon for a badly damaged group, and a badly damaged club right now.

David Moyes won’t be the name many would pick that’s a fact.

But I do think there’s a certain ignorance of the fact that he did do a pretty decent job making West Ham a pretty competitive football team and proved he still has an eye for a player.

I prefer to base my judgement on his West Ham time rather than his time at Everton because it’s more recent, and I’m aware football has changed since 2013.

But he’s clearly someone who is a good man manager and people like Leighton Baines who I respect very much speak so highly of him.

We may look back and say 11 years without a trophy but let’s look at it this way, how many have gotten Everton Football Club to a Cup final since he’s left anyway?

None.

We’ve not looked remotely like being a successful side and for 70 percent of those 12 years since Moyes left, we’ve been a struggling football team in the lower echelon.

Lord knows whether he’ll get this crop of players playing, he might, he might not.

If he gets the job then fair enough, we have to back him, we have no choice.

I just want this club to finally start getting things right for once, start finally making some positive progress.

Barry #20, Cahill is nobody’s assistant — he is now a wealthy international businessman in addition to his pundit work. Homes all over the world.

In fact, when Moshiri first began to seriously struggle I suggested that Terrible Timmy might make a great new Chairman. He certainly would have whipped that miserable Board into line instantly.

Is anyone else actually being talked about as a realistic genuine candidate? What happened to Terzic rumours?

Also, what happened to Broja last night? Is he out for the season?

Pragmatism pure and simple. An unexpected event had to be dealt with.

Those who wanted Dyche out now were naive to expect a different outcome given the recent takeover.

Pretty underwhelming opening salvo from TFG. If reports are to be believed, Dyche forced their hand as opposed to a decisive sacking, and instead of having a replacement lined up, they lazily default to Moyes? Even Moshiri at his nadir resisted that urge, even with Kenwright whispering in his ear.

I don’t think he’ll get us relegated, so if it’s just until the end of the season, fine. But if he’s leading us into the new stadium, that’ll be so depressing, and symbolic of all the wrong things.

To seal any contract you ultimately have to have two willing parties.

So, it is pointless us bandying about names of managers we might wish to come and manage Everton, when we don’t know,

a) if they have been approached and

b)f so, have declined to be interviewd etc. etc.

We cannot blame TFG for lack of imagination etc. when we don’t know whom they have approached, or what response they might have had?

For all we know, the only applicant might be DM (or perhaps him and Allardyce).

It might not be a questions of a poor choice, but more one of no choice.

Jim 27, Moyes wouldn’t have even made my top 10 picks for Everton manager. His last two seasons were mind numbingly dull and he scarpered as soon as a chance presented itself.

I could go over old ground/quotes etc.. but it’s not worth it now. Friedkin has played his hand and we’ll just have to grin and bear it. Hopefully, we won’t regret it.

Can he reach his magical 40 points ceiling? If he does, I will doff my cap to him.

Athletic reporting it’s done with the length of contract reflecting long term plans with Moyes at the helm. I can’t see it working, as soon as we’re shite it will be toxic. He abused us when he left and tried to take our best players, that maybe standard? but in his pressers he was keen to impress how he was now at a big club in UTD. He disrespected Everton and that will come back to haunt him.

TFG aren’t interested in trying to understand the fans, it’s purely financial. Take the fans with you or it’s along way back hope I’m wrong.

I’m 36. His Everton team, barring a magical season under Roberto Martinez, was the only prolonged period of being an Everton fan without turmoil, embarrassment or anxiety I can ever remember.

People forget that the football between 07-13 was good, we had a lot of good players, and that the only thing which stopped us from breaking the top four was our potless chairman’s inability to put his hand in his pocket and fund the team to the extent we needed.

Was I thrilled by his conduct as United manager? No. But he was doing what he could for his new team, and frankly, we could have done with a bit more of that ruthlessness from his successors. It’s been twelve years, and it’s time to close the wound.

He’s categorically a better manager than Sean Dyche was (thank you for your work, sir, best of luck elsewhere), and I think Moyes will do fine, if shown some grace by the fanbase.

Except that Tim Steidten was in charge of transfers at WHU not Moyes. He was the person who had initial conversations with Potter

Sorry Anthony but you are still trotting out the narrative that was peddled and swallowed by many.

We were not punching above our weight and we had a decent squad that should have won more. Certainly reached a second cup final but he bottled it against the RS