Barry finally scores in scrappy win over Dyche’s Forest

There is one change Derek.

Keane for Tim.

Sensible selection given the midfield situation.

Need Garner in there.

Well it seems that given the choice of playing Patterson or giving Keggars a huge needle romance has won out.

Don’t be surprised if his leg falls off mind.

There is a short documentary video on YouTube about Thierno Barry where they follow him around for a day and it’s clear he doesn’t want to be here!!

He clearly states that he didn’t want to move here but his father made it clear that he has a family to support and has to chase the money….

The lad looks so disinterested when he plays,it winds me up. Beto is miles better but we are trying to keep up Barry’s value by playing him… 🙄

Come on, you Blues!!! These will let us have the ball and play their counter-attacking game. This is where having such shite focal points will kill us. Come on, Thierno lad!!! He’ll get a brace today! I can feel it.

Michael points out what I keep saying. It’s almost as though the bench is there as an excuse to his employers: “See, I’ve got no players!”

Two keepers as per usual and no trust in youth development.

A bit snide this morning, Michael.

Your comment on Moyes “lack of faith in the academy” is using the truth to tell a lie.

Actions speak louder than words, Mike.

Or in Moyes’s case, the action of omission.

Not putting nine players on the bench in the Premier League is just fucking madness.

Putting two goalkeepers on the bench is fucking madness.

Not using Under-21 players and giving them match experience is fucking madness.

Yes, all those youth players during Moyes’s last tenure, who he refused to play, and so they had to go elsewhere to succeed.

There was… erm, Mustafi (?) and the Spurs centre back, who he wilfully refused to play ahead of Jags and Lescott, and, er.

Yeah.

Micheal above you are right. Not sure whst Mike at 12 means.
Dyche was exactly the same.

Our academy is poor. But two keepers frequently that insults fans greatly. If I owned Everton (oh to dream) Moyes would be carpeted, fined and told not to be a belligerent childish twat.

Agree Michael.

And hard to believe Patterson is a right-back. What is the point of having him if you never want to use him? Might as well have kept JonJoe Kenny.

To Michaels point, if the youth aren’t good enough to actually play, sticking them on the bench at least raises their profiles.

Then, when we try and offload them, we can say “he’s been in the matchday squad” so it’s a sales pitch. If we say even if we have no subs we’d rather have an empty bench then how are we ever going to offload them?

Nothing wrong with that line-up considering what the Manager has at his disposal.

Also pleased that Charly Alcaraz is included, may just be the play to set up Barry to break his duck.

Youth, he doesn’t even give imagination a chance.

Say, the kid who scored 2 in the FA Youth Cup a spot on the bench presently in use by the Invisible Man even if it is a case of “why not” rather than “why”?

That’s a suprise, Keane fit to play.

Come on chaps it’s possible for Pickford and another keeper to get injured, not very likely granted but we look daft playing half a game without a recognised keeper.

Moyes has gone for players he trusts again, apart from 2 or 3 lapses, they have performed well.

Thierno Fanny….

We don’t need centre-backs beasting our forwards at home!!!!

Get Beto on and Milenkovic won’t play those games.

Just kidding!

I love the lad. Yessssssssssssss!!!

Funny old first half, we score at the beginning and at the end of the half with not a lot happening in between. I hope Mr Moyes doesn’t now give priority to being overly defensive.

I thought the early yellow for the Forest player was a bit harsh and I wasn’t even sure there was a connection made.

The handball denied made me wonder about the Tarkowski one some time ago and, being kind, the least you can say is that there’s very little consistency in the refereeing.

Also, I found the inscription on Dyche’s trackie top “next” quite amusing.

In a game of mass mistakes and hardly any football being played by either team, it was absolutely brilliant to see the enjoyment Barry got from scoring his first goal and the pleasure it gave to his team mates who celebrated that goal with him.

No football to enjoy but that result, if it stays the same or more, will be enough for me to savour.

Dave,

As soon as Ndyiae took off, you could see Barry’s face light up and he took off like a rocket knowing it was his chance to break his duck. I was nervous but it was a lovely finish.

Maybe we can get a few more. I remember Norman Whiteside terrorizing these in the late 80s and it ended up 4-0 but I’m sure Dyche has other ideas.

Dave,

In a game of mass mistakes and hardly any football being played by either team…

I was really struggling to adequately describe what was not happening out there, Dave.

Barry on the first step to a hat-trick!

A scrappy three-nil win.

What a ridiculous description.

To paraphrase PG Wodehouse

Michael Kenrick never mistaken for a ray of sunshine

Yep, not one for the purists but another 3 points that takes us well up into the Top Half of the table.

Now… how long will it take for the automatic table update to show???

I’ve just registered with ToffeeWeb for first time after years reading the site. The reasons, I’m proud of a team that is currently in 5th place in the league despite 18 months ago being on the verge of relegation and extinction and with a squad that is seriously underpowered compared to most of the Premier League.

Secondly, I’m heartily fed up with Michael Kenrick’s bitterness and resentment to David Moyes — he operates the site like this gives him the right to inflict his one-sided views on Everton fans who just want to celebrate some success.

Saying that a 3-0 win is scrappy is utter madness! This personal vendetta is become a disgrace.

Shame on you. It’s no longer ToffeeWeb — it’s become AntiMoyesweb.

When is 3-0 a scrappy win!

Delighted, especially for Barry, and up to 5th. A couple of players back for Chelsea to strengthen the squad.

I suppose that is Moyes’s speciality, beating those teams you are expected to beat.

While it was a good win, it was hardly inspiring. Brazil we ain’t but 3 points it is.

I thought Dewsbury-Hall was a class above both Gibbs-White and Anderson today. I am sure he is very close to an England call-up.

How about Jack and Jimmy G too?

Must be tough being anti-Moyes at the moment, 3 wins in 4.

Scrappy, lucky, only beating the teams we should etc.

I don’t get it, support the team instead of moaning all the time, tedious beyond belief.

You are indeed tedious beyond belief, Mike.

Trying to create divisions on what should be a celebratory thread.

Scrappy win? Jeeees, Micheal, fucking Liverpool or Arsenal would have taken a scrappy win in any game they play.

Scrappy, take a break, Mike.

Scrappy win, What The Fuck?

I will take that every week… COYBs

A scrappy win!! What an awful headline.

Someone said were only winning the games we should. Oh yeah? We’ve won once at Old Trafford in about 30 years before last week. Bournemoth away, we never win there.

Do these people take pleasure from being so effing miserable?
Give credit where it is due. Moan when appropriate.

Well the team has done it again — and we keep doing it when Moyes can’t pick our best team.

Michael, you are doing a great job keeping the site afloat but you do let yourself down with some of the same old biased comments. You are on par with Darren on the wind up front.

Well, I know one thing: we can all forget the R word now.

Mike (#43);

Tell it the way you see it, I do. I like to win but I also want to see us again do it in style. What was that Danny Blanchflower thing again and why are the “Holy Trinity” so revered?

I had a similar discussion some years ago on another site with somebody who said that Everton should aim to finish 10th. My answer was aiming for 10th and just missing puts you in a relegation fight, aiming for the top and just missing gets you European football.

Mediocrity isn’t the answer, nor the motto.

Steve Brown #44,

The divisions are already there, some of the pre-game comments were ridiculous as are those damning with faint praise subsequently. It’s tiring to read. A great result just enjoy it as you suggest. I’m delighted anyway.

Paul Kossoff #46 was that red comment at me? Give your head a wobble if so, pathetic.

There was so little football played in that game, so I guess it’s understandable that all you can talk about is a headline that irks you.

What about Barry’s brilliant first goal! That was admittedly a rare moment where football did break out momentarily and the boy finally scored off a great breakaway driven by Ndiaye.

Anything else of note? Dewsbury-Hall, he did well, made one, scored one.

But just be grateful I’m not doing that daft thing of marks out of 10.

Alan #50

Who doesn’t want to see the team win with style? Expecting this to do so right now will result in continuing disappointment.

With better players (and yes, manager) we can… but be realistic in where we are coming from. Winning, however, gives you room to improve.

Mike (#54),

As an aside, I used to go to primary school with an Ellis Iddon, any relation?

Mike 62.

How the fuck do you think that was aimed at you when all are having a go at Mike K? Isn’t it obvious who I was talking to?

Give your head a wobble.

I thought first half was scrappy aside from the two goals. Second half we were better.

Forest sort of threw the towel in though Pickford made one great save. Could have had a few more. Dewsbury-Hall was great, Ndiaye also everyone else was okay.

Solid win but some of our players need to sort their barnets out.

Alan #55 not to my knowledge, probably a distant relative, not many of us around tbh.

Paul #56 it was the use of Michael/Mike, I’m easily confused. My head is duly wobbling….

Joke of a headline.

Totally dominant performance with plenty of quality.

Happy Blues are we!

Credit to the team today and Dewsbury-Hall is becoming invaluable.

A question for today’s match goers. Headline seems harsh, was it really scrappy?

Yes it wasn’t pretty, a lot like Bournemouth. However, these are games we were losing in the past. Forest have a lot of quality, a lot of pace too. We made them look really poor today.

We didn’t play amazing football, yet performed amazingly!!!!
The will and desire is there, they are playing for each other. Yes, Newcastle done us a number… Spurs too, but it’s a long season and we will lose games.

Considering neither of our strikers have more than 1 goal, then even a small uptick from either of them could convert to a lot of points.

All positive!!!

Only saw the 2nd half but we looked to be in control, whole team played well, especially Dewsbury-Hall and Garner.

Great reaction since the Newcastle match, credit to Moyes and the players for not letting that be the start of a tailspin.

Will the Moyes haters now fuck off?

Top 6 with bollocks strikers and slow defenders. A winner that gets relegated?

Should have said what more do people want?

A winner that gets relegated?

Nice one, Paul.

5th place, not top six.

Do we realise how well we are doing? From some of the comments on here, I don’t think so.

Moyes has been back for 34 games and we have got 55 points. Over the last 38 fixtures we have 60 points — which would be good enough for 7th.

We have scored 17 more and conceded 15 less in those 34 games than we did the previous time we played those teams.

This is looking be typical Everton fans. Scrape safety and we moan. Get to middle table and we moan, get a European spot and we moan, win the league and we moan because the football was not as good as 69-70 or 84-85. There are thousands of spouses and partners utterly delighted because they won’t have the spouse and partner moaning and being depressed come March to May.

Yes, we might be tense if we do not make a European place — but I would rather be depressed about that than worried about being in the Bottom 5.

A superb win and I honestly believe we can end our bad run at the Bridge and beat the Gooners at home too!!

And no, I’m not pissed… yet!!!

Scrappy win?… l thought we played quite well and dominated Forest for large spells.

As much as l’m pleased for Barry scoring with a really good finish, l still don’t see a footballer in there. That’s as negative as l’m going to be.

A great 3 points, great position in the table, great the shite fucked up… and a large great whiskey to be polished off. UTFT!!

Just finished a very nice dinner and checked in on here.

“Scrappy win”???

Seriously?? Fuck me!

Really don’t understand the nitpicking after that result. Sean Dyche’s teams always ensure that teams can’t be as fluid as they like. Look how dreadful the football was under him, but it wasn’t just us he made look dreadful — it was the opponent.

Moyes and the boys deserve great credit as it was important to get the first goal early so that they could not just bank up against us. Had we not started well, it could have been a tough game; as it was, it was very comfortable.

This is a greater win than many are giving credit for.

Just a little stat for our Thierno Barry, who has just been labelled as bollox. He has started in 8 games, where we have won 6, drawn 1 and lost 1. When Beto starts, we have won 1, drawn 2 and lost 4.

He has taken a lot of stick but he’s clearly a team player and is starting to get chances every game now as his team mates are starting to understand him better.

Delighted for him to get his first goal… hopefully there are many more to come.

It is green shoots, Phil. The club is an upward curve, we have stability, a good manager and good owners.

We still need better players, but what we have is a good grafting group. The midfield coped well against Elliot Anderson, who I rate. Whilst Hutchinson was lively, he was out of the game for large chunks.

I’d like to see 2 proper full-backs that would go forward. A couple of times Grealish looked to play Mykolenko in, but the just didn’t anticipate where he needed to be. Similar on O’Brien. He stands way off Ndiaye, and offers zero support on the attack. The crosses lack any ball shift, and are telegraphed into defenders’ blocks regularly. Oh for a Leighton Baines in his pomp.

I’m going to make a comment on the classless Forest fans. Came, sang some poverty chanting, and then got off 15 minutes from time. Nottingham has its problems like anywhere else. Perhaps think before singing this vile stuff.

One gripe actually… Forest fans poverty chanting should be called out by the media but they wont…

Am l right in assuming that Liverpool City Region has a higher GDP and a lower umemployment rate than Nottingham?

I’ve gotta say, this current incarnation of Everton pleases me like the Everton are Magic version of Latchford, McKenzie and King et al.

We may not win the league but, ‘kin’ell, they make me feel good! UTFT

I try not to get too excited with a win or too depressed with a loss. I am, however, delighted compared to the last few years.

Hoping for the future headline — ‘The weight for a loss continues after Barry hat-trick’

Merle,

“Poverty chanting?” That’s a bit rich from Nottingham fans.

A group of people whose hero is a common thief who went around robbing goods from taxpayers to feed a bunch of layabouts squatting in Sherwood Forest.

Heading back home after witnessing a great performance, Dewsbury-Hall once again standing out for me. He is starting to really put in some cionsistent performances.

Forest fans are an embarrasment and they need to wind it in with their dogshit chanting of scousers.

Another classic write up from ToffeeWeb’s own Craig Revell Horwood, well it is pantomime season after all.

Dewsbury-Hall in his preferred box to box role was immense today, MOTM by a country mile, what a player he is at the moment.

At the other end of the scale was Alcaraz, anonymous in the first half except for 3 10-yard passes to our centre-backs and 2 20-yard passes to Pickford, effortlessly turning attack into defense. McNeil was without doubt an improvement when he came on.

Add a left-back that can put a decent cross in, and a decent right-back and we will have a useful team.

Great to see Barry get his first goal today.

Merle Urquart #77, you’re bang on but sadly “We’ve got a higher GDP and lower unemployment than you” isn’t the best chant I’ve ever heard.

And Michael, scrappy win? Dear oh dear, if that’s scrappy, I’ll have another 20 games like that.

Sean K @9

Not sure which documentary of young Barry you found but I found the following;

Link

If we’ve watched the same, I don’t think your interpretation of the man is correct. Anyone else interested can judge.

He starts talking about why he came to Everton around the 18 min mark.

Sad to hear about the classless Forest fans but fuck ’em, hope all their buses break down and trains are delayed on the way home.

Having only seen the second half today, can anyone comment on the reception Dyche got? Good? Bad? Indifferent?

I would hope he got a good reception

@David 83

I will start that chant at the next home game

Btw BBC dropped a massive one when they uploaded the match headline before the final whistle of the Leeds Liverpool game:-

“Liverpool move up to fifth in Premier League after Dominik Szoboszlai’s winner

Hugo Ekitike scores two goals in three minutes to put Liverpool in early control

Leeds hit back through Dominic Calvert-Lewin and Anton Stach

Daniel Farke’s side remain 17th, two points above the relegation zone”

Player of the match

Number: 22

K. Dewsbury-Hall

Average rating

9.00

Everton

(active)

Nottingham Forest

Number:

22

K. Dewsbury-Hall

Average Rating:

9.00

Number:

11

T. Barry

Average Rating:

8.33

Number:

10

I. Ndiaye

Average Rating:

8.33

Number:

37

J. Garner

Average Rating:

8.17

Number:

18

J. Grealish

Average Rating:

8.15

Number:

24

C. Alcaraz

Average Rating:

7.86

Number:

15

J. O’Brien

Average Rating:

7.86

Number:

6

J. Tarkowski

Average Rating:

7.86

Number:

5

M. Keane

Average Rating:

7.84

Number:

16

V. Mykolenko

Average Rating:

7.63

Number:

1

J. Pickford

Average Rating:

7.55

Number:

20

T. Dibling

Average Rating:

7.32

Number:

7

D. McNeil

Average Rating:

7.21

Number:

9

Beto

Average Rating:

7.02

Not bad ratings for scrappy.

Peter #84:

I take it as he was happy at Villareal and playing in the champions league, but his father made him move to England for the money. Hence why he always looks so unhappy, just how I read it of course.

Maybe Idrissa getting suspended was a blessing in disguise? We needed to figure something out for his Afcon absence anyway, and KDH looked really good playing deeper today. Plus it gave Alcaraz some game time in what is his best(?) position.

Anyone else smile when Tarks did that dribble forward, then when he backed off Keane took over? I’m as guilty as (almost) anyone when it comes to criticizing Moyes’ overly defensive style, was nice to see our CBs going for the throat there.

Wasn’t a free flowing performance but it was solid, efficient and clinical.

3 well deserved points, and further up the table.

KDH excellent again, can’t be far off the Tuchel call.

We’re in a good place right now, long may it continue, though next two games will tell us more.

Forest complaining that Tarks should have seen red after 10 mins. Whinging Owner no doubt leading the charge.

Kieran 79. A group of people whose hero is a common thief who went around robbing goods from taxpayers to feed a bunch of layabouts squatting in Sherwood Forest.

and wiping their arses on leaves. the dirty bastards.

We won

It was a bit scrappy, but Dyche teams usually set out to do that to you

But we won.

Yes we needed that 2nd goal and I’m pleased for Barry.

And we still won

KDH had another blinder, could’ve had a hatrick.

And we won well in the end because he scored the 3rd to wrap it up.

3pts and the weekend’s looking good.

At times the Referee made good common sense decisions – other times he threw yellow cards about like confetti

But we still won.

Didn’t see the game, so looking forward to MOTD.

Another three points and over the moon for Barry getting his goal – did he smile ?

COYB.

It was a good day, we won well and our striker at least restored some future value!

Liverpool conceding late was a sweet moment, and to Salah, you’ll never walk alone, unless you get a bit older, slow down and don’t score a goal a game. You’d be treated a lot differently if you’d won what you did at a proper club🤷‍♂️

Oliver #97

As wide as the Mersey…

Almost as broad as mine.

Some people will never be happy, and that’s okay, that’s what makes us want to be even better. And we’re entitled to have a bit of a negative outlook after the last so many years. Plus it was not the prettiest match.

But for how far we’ve come from the past several seasons, you can call our wins whatever you want — scrappy, ugly, defensive, this and that — to be this high in the table at this point, despite all of our shortcomings, pretty impressive.

Barry has a long ways to go, but very happy for him. KDH is class, just a few weeks ago people were calling for him to be dropped for Charly. Garner having a superb season. Jake is huge for us playing out of position, Keane coming back just immense. Ndiaye such a pleasure to watch. Even when Jack has an off match, he creates big chances and slows the game down. We all know where we need to improve, but it’s time everyone give Moyes the credit he deserves, because the numbers don’t lie.

Lastly, Tark really was lucky to get away with that shoulder. Away from home, against a Sky Six team, they could have justified another stupid violent conduct. But not today. UTFT.

The first thing you have got to learn to do in this very physically demanding league, is to win ugly.

Other than the three goals, Grealish set up Dewsbury Hall, to hit the outside of the post, he also cut one back across when Garner, might have done better, plus the lovely little dribble by N’Diaye, which the keeper tipped over the bar.

Three goals, another three very good chances missed, and three midfielders, providing the springboard because they helped us to play with a lot more energy than our opponents, and also higher up the pitch.

The early goal settled us, I thought it helped us to play higher up the pitch, but so did Barry, who did a lot of unselfish running, so like everyone else, I’m delighted he got his rewards today

Tony, great point about those close chances. On another day we’d beat them 6-0 and they’d be choking even more on their anti Scouser bullshit on their way home.

Historically I have great respect for Forest, but reading on here about their fans today – I hope they go down.

Great win

Scrappy? What did you mean by writing that? We could’ve scored easily 3 more goals

Enlighten me please, I’m dazed and confused

KDH is a number 8, sky clear. So happy for Barry, although he is to lightweight I suspect. Time will tell.

I would call it a battling win rather than a scrappy win and as anyone in football will tell you you have to win your battles before you can play football.

None of the goals could be called scrappy maybe the first was a bit lucky but I thought we played through the lines quite well today.

It may have been said before, but the offiicial site chraging £3.50 to listen to commentary on top of membership is quite disgraceful.

Apart from that I nevever thought we would have 24 points and be 5th

COYB

We seem to be performing with a decent chunk of the side putting in, “captain’s”, displays. Garner, KDH, JOB, Tarky, Keane, Jack. They all seem to be leading by example and I love it.

I understand Michael’s headline because he scrapped our way to the points. We won the battles. That started within 0.22 mins and didn’t stop.

UTFT. Well played. Great game

“But just be grateful I’m not doing that daft thing of marks out of 10.“

Giving them all a ‘must do better’ after a three-nil win Michael #53?

Yet another knobhead red mist moment from Tarkowski Kieran. Too many for comfort.

The Forest scabs where doing the poverty chanting at The Old Lady last season. I used to have a Cloughy soft spot for them – despite one of their greasy twats gobbing on me outside the Park End in the first game of the season I believe it was after they got back up to the top flight. I want to see them go down now, even sweeter with the three hard-boiled eggs in charge.

It was hardly peak Pep Barca, but it was an accomplished performance, handily beating Forest and keeping another clean sheet.

As for Moyes use of the academy, he has the team in 5th, has KDH, Ndaiye, Grielish and Garner playing exceptionally well and boasts a defensive that, although made up of 3 CB’s, two of whom are veterans, concedes very few goals.

Not in anyway ready to say the season is a success, but look at the turnaround from last year!

TFG must be happy with how it’s going so far!

Many years ago when it was called the First Division you could always tell players, usually central (halves as we called them) defenders, who were coming to the end of their careers as they went around as they used to say, kicking anything that moved and shouting at anything that didn’t, and there were quite a few of them, yarddogs all. Anyone remember Dave Mackay almost ending Jimmy Husband’s career with a thigh almost waist high tackle?

Careful, Eric(#112), you’ll be labelled a whinger, as the Patpong becomes ping-pong. Oh, hang on it was part of the show, wasn’t it.